CLASSIFICATION
Swallow ID:
5885
Partner Institution:
Simon Fraser University
Source Collection Label:
Reading in BC Collection
Sub Series:
Reading in BC Collection
ITEM DESCRIPTION
Title:
Interview with Robert Trammel conducted by Gerald Burns with Joe Camrey at Dallas Institute of Humanities & Culture on October 20, 1982 #613
Title Source:
cassette and j-card
Language:
English
Production Context:
Documentary recording
Genre:
Interview
Identifiers:
[]
Rights
Rights:
Copyright Not Evaluated (CNE)
CREATORS
Name:
Burns, Gerald
Dates:
1940-1997
Role:
"Interviewer"
Name:
Camrey, Joe
Role:
"Interviewer"
Name:
Trammell, Robert
Dates:
1939-
Role:
"Speaker",
"Reader"
CONTRIBUTORS
MATERIAL DESCRIPTION
Image:
Recording Type:
Analogue
AV Type:
Audio
Material Designation:
Cassette
Physical Composition:
Magnetic Tape
Extent:
1/8 inch
Track Configuration:
2 track
Playback Mode:
Stereo
Sound Quality:
Good
Physical Condition:
Excellent
Other Physical Description:
Black and white clear jewel case with J-card
DIGITAL FILE DESCRIPTION
Channel Field:
Stereo
Sample Rate:
44.1 kHz
Duration:
T00:46:47
Size:
59.7 MB
Bitrate:
32 bit
Encoding:
WAV for master files and .MP3 for online files
Channel Field:
Stereo
Sample Rate:
44.1 kHz
Duration:
T00:46:47
Size:
59.8 MB
Bitrate:
32 bit
Encoding:
WAV for master files and .MP3 for online files
Dates
Date:
1982-10-20
Type:
Performance Date
Source:
J-card
LOCATION
Address:
2719 Routh St. Dallas, Texas 75201
Venue:
Dallas Institute of Humanities and Culture
Latitude:
32.79741
Longitude:
-96.8035
CONTENT
Contents:
Side Track No. Comments
One 000
006 Voice over introducing interview
008 Unknown voice reading what appears to be verse
010 Voice over introducing interview for the third time
011 Brief background on Robert Trammel
014 Robert Trammel corrects the interviewer on the background information
016 Interview begins centering on Trammel’s bias, in particular myth & life in East Texas
036 Emphasis on Trammel’s use of oral Texas myth tradition
064 Trammel’s New York experiences
092 Discussion on O’Hara, Creeley, Olson, Pound, etc. that is broken off prematurely
110 The motivational forces behind the new book
140 Besides birds, Burns notes, there are few animals mentioned. He asks why. A digression by Trammel on the stupidity of turkeys
165 Burns asks Trammel to read a few poems
167 Trammel consents but continues on a digression on the lack of available culture when he was growing up in East Texas
179 “The day begins in the back hall…”
193 Camrey mentions motifs in the previous poem
197 Trammel responds
212 “The Long Hall That Splits the House”
223 Burns comments on the poem
227 Trammel talks about writing poems concerning “Houses”
237 “The Living Room” poem
259 Burns tries a weak joke “What do you use for your work, sex or drugs?”
261 Trammel responds, making a much better joke or rather a display of wit
275 Discussion on violence and its involvement with love
309 Burns asks two disjointed questions: One concerning sport poems & one on his high school & college experiences
320 Trammel responds, discusses the Dallas Cowboy’s stadium as a temple
358 Trammel talks about non intentional art being real Art, he then reads from an article discussion Native Indian artistic tradition
381 Burns asks a long winded question concerning a poet living his poetry. Trammel responds in kind
427 Trammel vs. the standard academic poets. He wonders what is a “standard academic poet”? He goes on to a pseudo-philosophical monologue on the state on modern poetry. And solutions to the problems
496 Burns, semi-defensively talks about his own poetics
509 “Can other poets learn from you?”
512 Trammel responds discussing what he assumes is his audience, or rather is not his audience
552 Burns: “Do you think it is good to have audience you do not choose?”
556 Discussion to change rooms and turn the tape over
615 Side one ends
Two 000
011 Interview continues
012 Trammel reads some of his more recent work
015 “No one knew who live in hotels…”
027 Burns asks an irrelevant question concerning the previous poem
028 Trammel responds
029 Discussion over what Trammel should read next
032 “Red and short…”
043 Trammel introduces the next poem
045 “This would fall fail first around the nail”
053 Trammel wonders if the poems work separately or in a group “referring back to themselves”
055 Burns talks about the mood Trammel creates [Burns can’t help but refer to his own work] Trammel mentions the difficulty he has with having “persons” in his works, Olson & Pound are cited as examples
080 “The Jacksonville Poems” are brought up as well as the lack of interesting people & situations
113 Camrey brings up the element of disillusionment he senses in the poem, Burns argues with him. Trammel sides with Camrey & goes on to seemingly inadvertently proving Camrey’s point
158 Burns brings up the mood of the room they are in. Trammel says he would rather write a poem about it, then talk about it
171 Burns asks about past works specifically ones concerning “car wrecks”. Trammel responds, seeing it as the Trickster element in Artists
184 Trammel, Burns says, “has kept his adolescence”. Trammel sees his work not as nostalgia but as an attempt to get away from nostalgia
191 Burns brings up the religious background Trammel has
213 “Are you more sensitive to being duped or deceived?” Trammel responds
219 A discussion develops over Trammel’s tendency to lie; Trammel says he doesn’t lie, he “Bullshits”, a myth-building trait. People in New York, Trammel says, are very easy to bullshit
251 “Do you think you would have been that different if you hadn’t grown up in Texas?”
255 Trammel wonders when you start to become aware of where you grew up
258 A discussion on poets only becoming recognized when their talents begin to decrease. Trammel puts it down to “expensive drugs” & offers acute insight. The history of American poets going bad
295 The freedom of being an obscure poet in America. Allen Ginsberg is mention. Trammel sees him as destroyed by celebrity, Burns says “…he handles it beautifully”
314 Salt Lake Press & its publisher Joe Hanney is brough up & its effect upon Burns & Trammel
352 Camrey asks a question concerning why a place so rich in artistic tradition as Texas has little time for poets. Trammel responds, noting that songwriting has almost filled the poetry void. A discussion ensues; citing culture is viewed in Texas as a feminine thing & the pseudo-french bent of Texas culture. Dallas as a cultural centre
489 Endowment of poets & arts; the pitfalls
510 Dallas culture & the poet in culture
590 Burns tries to paint Trammel as a bit of a cultural snob in comparison to himself. Trammel responds
615 Side two ends
Notes:
SFU BC Readings formatting
NOTES
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